Tuesday, October 22, 2013

The Greatest Mystery in Hip Hop - Facts and Rumors about Rodan / Mr Fantastik, MF Doom and the gang

Who is Rodan?


Rodan starts at 2:00 or so.

Lyrically juicy and enticing, combining speed an intelligence like nothing I've ever again seen in the rap world.  For many, the first time he appeared on a rap track was with the rap group M.I.C. (Monsta Island Czars).  MIC's members included MF Grimm (aka Jet Jaguar).

Rodan stands for this (from Wikipedia):

Rodan (ラドン Radon?) is a fictional Japanese mutated pterosaur introduced in Rodan, a 1956 release from Toho Studios, the company that produced the Godzilla series. Like Godzilla and Anguirus, he is designed after a type of prehistoric reptile (the Japanese name "Radon" is a contraction of "pteranodon"). Radon is usually referred to as "Rodan" in the United States, possibly to avoid confusion with the atomic element Radon; any time his name is written in English in Japan, it is written as Rodan. He is occasionally portrayed as a rival and enemy of Godzilla, but is usually depicted as one of Godzilla's allies, much like Anguirus.

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So that is a pretty interesting name.  Rodan appears in the film Ghidrah, for which King Geedorah (one of MF Doom's alter egos) was named.  Rodan was also a band in the mid 90's, though I doubt there's a connection.


Also appearing in the mid 90's was KMD, a rap trio consisting of Zev Love X (real name: Daniel Dumile, later MF Doom), DJ Subroc, Zev's younger brother, and Rodan.  Rodan (fka Jade 1), according to the wiki article, was replaced by Onyx the Birthstone Kid.  All of the members of this group were very young, and were black Muslims active in their community, seeking to inspire "a positive Kause in a Much Damaged Society".  Rodan left the group to finish high school!

It appears while recording Black Bastards, their second album, that Onyx left the group, potentially because of the group's departure from lighthearted rap to more songs about drinking, drugs and sex.  Subroc was killed (RIP) at the young age of 20 (he was hit by a car) before the album was released.


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MIC ERA


After his brother's death and subsequent problems releasing his album, Dumile fell off the hip hop map from "1994 to 1997, living 'damn near homeless', walking the streets of Manhattan, sleeping on benches." (WIKIPEDIA)


He moved to Atlanta, GA in the late 90s.  Dumile was wounded but ready to return to hip hop.  Black Bastards had been bootlegged and turned out to be a cult classic.  He became MF DOOM, first wearing a sock on his head, then later a mask, and never being photographed without it.  He then began to release albums:






On Take Me to your Leader, each rapper in the MIC crew chose their rap name based on a Godzilla character.  It is not clear to me if Rodan chose his name at this point or if he already went by this name previously (wikipedia can be tricky as a source).  In any event, Rodan is featured on this album, as is Mr Fantastik--who appears to be a slower-flowing Rodan.

As for Rodan, there is a lot of speculation.  One rumor:  "i had to ask a good source, and i was told mr.fantastik is a gully street dood u don't wanna meet.lol seriously he said making music is the last thing he thinking about. so that would probably explain why he is so lo key "


But if this above quote is true, then how did this happen:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DT-400sF99E


Youtube user RONOMICAL posted a bunch of new Rodan lyrics over top-40 type beats.  Same raw style and seemingly quite angry.  Some subtle and some not-so-subtle digs to MF Doom involved (Doom spurned him on a project?).  Ronomical posted these videos in 2012!  For what reason?  He was not doing it to build up youtube karma, because he stopped posting after about 10 videos.  He mentions that you can download the mixtape but provides no links.  Alas, this hot trail looks like a dead end.


Doom went on to release a bunch of well known albums.


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Current ERA:


DOOM was born in UK,  and has now returned to his roots.  Did the JJ Doom project, supposedly working on Madvillain 2, and a project with young phenom Bishop Nehru.


Could Rodan/Fantastik be lurking somewhere, working on a mega-project in secret, and dropping it soon?


As much as DOOM hides himself behind the mask, it appears that Rodan has done a much better job at preserving his anonymity.


Other possible names Rodan might be going by:
Rondan
Jade 1 
Mr Fantastik
DJ Cucumber Slice
DJ Pocket
Big Jim
Little Lord Fauntleroy
Devastatin' Dave the Turntable Slave
Kooley C aka Calvin Puckett
Radric Davis
Earthquake

Rumors of who he might be:
Kevrok
Onyx
Del the Funkee Homosapien
RZA
GZA
Darc Mind
Dr. Moreau

To me, none of these seem right though.  I'm clearly missing some big piece of this puzzle.

Update:
Post here for posterity
https://www.reddit.com/r/UnsolvedMysteries/comments/1oy98t/greatest_mystery_in_hiphop_who_is_mr/





8 comments:

  1. Kev Roc is (was) a member (MC) of Darc Mind, the DJ/prod. of the group was X-Ray who was both MC & one of the prods. under the King Ceasar moniker in MIC. And I have actually noticed a certain similarity between Kev Roc's & Rodan's vocal delivery.

    Great post this, seems spontanious, streams of consciousness-style associations, its exactly the type of shit I go round thinking about when I've been sober & crank free for too long & the cognitive muscles start to flex in twitches. So to speak. Discogs (the association algorithm anyway) seem to think that Rodan actually WERE Onyx the Birthstone Kid, via a shared second-layer alias that may be our best lead so far. About Darc Mind; one idea is also that X-Ray is a lone member, he got capacity, u know, u can hear some people got larynx, motor skills & voxchords that SHOULD generate a powerful, almost Brass horn-type voice should they feel like it; they kinda echoe when they try to hide their natural disposition towards loudmouthism.

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    1. Somewhat similar (Rodan & X-Ray), but here is a good example of X-Ray rapping and it sounds quite different from Rodan. I think we can rule out XRay

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v4QdV0dpLwc

      He's definitely not Onyx. Discogs are commonly wrong.

      Darc Mind - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pk7EwR6GNUo

      Maybe at 1.25 speed it sounds like Rodan. A bit. That would be truly wild if he did a whole album with a different voice.

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  2. Worth noting that "ronomical" resurfaced earlier this year threatening infinit EVOL (a newer MIC member who seems tight with Grimm).

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  3. If you don't know, I think Onyx is Rodan as there is a quote on a website saying, "Onyx went on to be become Rodan of MF's former crew, Monsta Island Czars."

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    1. Theres a similar connection between rodan & onyx the birthstone kid made in discogs metainfo. But according to the "official" bio of KMD/MF Doom/MF Grimm/MIC (for example on wikipedia) Rodan was a member of KMD before 1990, then went to college and got replaced with Onyx (who btw sounds different than youd expect a 18-19 year old Rodan to sound, voice- and rhyme-/meterwise). X-Ray of Darc Mind is King Ceasar of MIC, Kwite Def is Kamackeris, Tommy Gunn is Megalon, MG Grimm is Jet Jaguar etc, these id's can be considered confirmed cause their voices and meters add up, plus they reference their second monikers in lyrics AND are mentioned in bios and member rosters. Onyx-Rodan connection is not that clear. But the conflicting stories is part of the reason some of this still is a mystery.

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  4. Rodan Militant / Remnant Militia.

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  5. Rodan is Dr. Moreau on Viktor Vaugn's first (2003), the rest of the time he's just Rodan still, since his 2005 (or 2006?) solo LP it's kinda easy to compare him to the different "optional" monikers. DJ Cucumber Slice is Bobbito as far as I know. Kurious got a connection to him but that's no mystery, they both got links to the M.I.C. universe and they're both PR or Dominican. I've heard several 90's rap nerds claim Rodan was Earth Quake on KMD's Black Bastards but I'm reluctant both to call it, or to call bullshit on it. The biggest mystery to me right now is where Onyx the Birthstone Kid went. His technique, lyricism and playful rhyming of a lighter Native Tongues nature makes it impossible for him to be any of the current M.I.C. members. He was actually, from a strictly spittin skill standpoint the highlight of KMD's debut so if he's not involved with hiphop anymore, it's a huge loss. P.S. (Subroc was 19 when killed in 1993, not even 20 yet, born in august '73. Unless it was 1994 it happened, but I think 1994 was the year MF Grimm got shot and crippled, I try not to get those years mixed up)

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